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so what did joe biden do? he threw the intel community under the bus. >> when people in the consulate first saw armed men attacking, there were no protesters. why did that go on? >> we were told by the intelligence community. >> andrea: wait until you hear the white house spin this afternoon. that's up next on "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> dana: many americans are still trying to figure out what the administration knew about the libya terror attack. joe biden started out of the gate last night. >> what were you first told about the attack? why were people talking about protests? when people in the consulate first saw armed me there were no protesters? why did that go on? >> we were told by the intelligence community, the intelligence community told us that as they learned more facts about exactly what happened. they changed. we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. by the way, at the time, we were told exactly, said what the intelligence community told us they knew
so what did joe biden do? he threw the intel community under the bus. >> when people in the consulate first saw armed men attacking, there were no protesters. why did that go on? >> we were told by the intelligence community. >> andrea: wait until you hear the white house spin this afternoon. that's up next on "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> dana: many americans are still trying to figure out what the administration knew about the libya terror attack. joe biden...
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>> biden: it means it is simply inaccurate. >> ryan: it is irish. >> biden: it is. the secretary of defense has made it -- you can't walk anything back. we will not allow the iranians to get a nuclear weapon. what netenyahu held up there was when they get to the point where they can enrich uranium enough to put it into a weapon. they don't have enough to put it into a weapon. iran is more isolated today than when we took office. sit totally's a littled -- [overlapping speakers] >> ryan: thank heavens we had these sanctions in place. it is in spite of their opposition -- >> biden: oh god. >> ryan: all i have to point to are the results. they are four years closer to a nuclear weapon -- >> can you tell the american people what another war in the middle east -- >> biden: they are closer to be able to get enough material to put in a weapon -- >> you are acting a little bit like they don't want one. >> biden: i didn't say that. facts matter martha. all of this loose talk about all they have to do is get to a american amount of enriched uranium and they have a weapon not
>> biden: it means it is simply inaccurate. >> ryan: it is irish. >> biden: it is. the secretary of defense has made it -- you can't walk anything back. we will not allow the iranians to get a nuclear weapon. what netenyahu held up there was when they get to the point where they can enrich uranium enough to put it into a weapon. they don't have enough to put it into a weapon. iran is more isolated today than when we took office. sit totally's a littled -- [overlapping...
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first, biden. breanna keilar is joining us from the debate hall. >> we're out there doing a walk through of this debate hall this afternoon. the vice president retired to a home not far from center college. he reviewed some of his notes. got in a nap or rest i'm told by one source for about an hour or so and he had dinner with his family and a team of aides. he's been getting ready for this night for months, but most of the prep took place the last few days during an intensive debate camp. as cnn first brought you exclusively, these pictures show joe biden practicing for debate night. >> i would describe him as method cal. he always prepares. the thing he prepares for the most the political debates. >> biden spent the last four days at this sheridan hotel in wilmington, delaware. the set-up shows a ballroom complete with a similar blue backdrop, red carpet and table shaped like the one he'll share with his republican rival. just like in these photos, biden will be seated on the the left. paul ryan
first, biden. breanna keilar is joining us from the debate hall. >> we're out there doing a walk through of this debate hall this afternoon. the vice president retired to a home not far from center college. he reviewed some of his notes. got in a nap or rest i'm told by one source for about an hour or so and he had dinner with his family and a team of aides. he's been getting ready for this night for months, but most of the prep took place the last few days during an intensive debate...
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mirror image of biden. vice president spent third most time talking about the problems in the arab world for the congressman from wisconsin. number three, entitlements, such as medicare, social security. that's our team of timers actually scored it. unlike the last debate, what was also striking, how similar two candidates were to the time they devoted to key issues, not because they agreed, instead because for every punch, an equally sharp counterpunch. some examples, each different almost completely. but at times, around 5:00 each were nearly identical. same on foreign policy side on iran, again, disagreement, and again about equal time. 4:30 each. likewise on ending the war in afghanistan. the vice president and congressman ryan spoke for nearly the same length of time about 5:00. however, what they said could not be more different. like night and day. correspondents standing by with each side. stay with us. >>> more results coming in from the poll of registered voter who's watched tonight's vice preside
mirror image of biden. vice president spent third most time talking about the problems in the arab world for the congressman from wisconsin. number three, entitlements, such as medicare, social security. that's our team of timers actually scored it. unlike the last debate, what was also striking, how similar two candidates were to the time they devoted to key issues, not because they agreed, instead because for every punch, an equally sharp counterpunch. some examples, each different almost...
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he learned biden's gestures. he learned biden's ability to be very bomb pastic and loud on the stump and then suddenly go to a dramatic whisper. the romney campaign was constantly buffeting ryan with these types of examples of biden's debate skills trying to prep him for it. and one of the things that the romney campaign continues to say over and over again is that the format in which the candidates are seated next to each other isn't going to lend itself to the type of major league brawl that so many people have been talking about because it's so hard to call somebody a name when you're literally touching knees beneath the table (i don't have any problem doing that. >> yeah. joe biden, maybe -- >> there is a concern it won't happen. >> bill: you know that. if you're a pinhead, your a pinhead. if you're across the room or here, it's the way it is. henry, i want to talk to you about the little dustup you had with jay carney about libya. i used it in my talking points memo. we were laying out the time line and how
he learned biden's gestures. he learned biden's ability to be very bomb pastic and loud on the stump and then suddenly go to a dramatic whisper. the romney campaign was constantly buffeting ryan with these types of examples of biden's debate skills trying to prep him for it. and one of the things that the romney campaign continues to say over and over again is that the format in which the candidates are seated next to each other isn't going to lend itself to the type of major league brawl that...
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joe biden versus joe biden. ryan barely showed up. he passed the threshold and did fine but if you like sneering attacks from this kind of senator, you're going to love it. >> wow. >> sneering attacks from this pompous old senator. >> but if -- >> not a joe biden fan. >> i am a joe biden fan. if you think joe biden is over the top you're going to not like it. you saw the reactions kind of split down the middle. >> if you think -- every seniority yen human being thinks joe biden is over the top. >> joe biden -- >> hold on. >> he came in with this cultural expectation, courtesy of the onion he was going to take his shirt off and rather up the podium. like he has a lot of room to run. >> i don't think statesman is a word you particularly associate with vice president biden. he was not statesman-like yesterday. he wasn't supposed to be. it's not the training that he got to go out there. he was going to go out there and beat up romney and he did that. >> by the way, the fact that the republicans are making a big deal about whether he was s
joe biden versus joe biden. ryan barely showed up. he passed the threshold and did fine but if you like sneering attacks from this kind of senator, you're going to love it. >> wow. >> sneering attacks from this pompous old senator. >> but if -- >> not a joe biden fan. >> i am a joe biden fan. if you think joe biden is over the top you're going to not like it. you saw the reactions kind of split down the middle. >> if you think -- every seniority yen human...
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smiles and the biden smirks and the biden interruptions will be a juicy topic for discussion. >> rose: mark hall snrin. >> halperin? >> well, i am mostly going to paraphrase what rich lowry just said, there are two things that clearly come out of this, one is the detrimentally base is going to be pleased that they thought, saw the somebody fighting on their behalf and being aggressive on a lot of big issues that the president did not prosecute in the last debate. two, i think it is clear that with paul ryan will come out of it having a lot of favorable impressions and for a lot of people the impression he is ready to be president if that were required. the big open question is, how much will this debate be defined with the romney campaign's efforts and willingness on the part of the weed by joe biden's verbal and visual ticks which could end up this is all it is remembered for, even if that is dominant on cable and in comedy shows, which i think it certainly will be, i don't think this debate is really going to change much about the trajectory of where the race is, it is all going to
smiles and the biden smirks and the biden interruptions will be a juicy topic for discussion. >> rose: mark hall snrin. >> halperin? >> well, i am mostly going to paraphrase what rich lowry just said, there are two things that clearly come out of this, one is the detrimentally base is going to be pleased that they thought, saw the somebody fighting on their behalf and being aggressive on a lot of big issues that the president did not prosecute in the last debate. two, i think...
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did joe biden -- joe biden do what joe biden had to do last night? were you, as a washington guy that's been around this for a long time, did you find it off-putting, or do you think it was called for? >> i think joe was joe. and when you're yourself, it usually helps in politics. look, it's going to lend itself to some great scenes on "saturday night live" and other late-night comedians. i agree with mark halperin on that. but i don't think it was like al gore in 2000, which mark will remember. al gore looked arrogant and condescending and elitist. what joe was, joe was scrappy at times, rude, feisty. i think that's what he needed to do last night. i think he could have done without a few smirks. he could have done without a few interruptions. but i don't think it really hurt him. and i think when you talk about style, joe, one of the things we ought to consider is, as barack obama goes into that now very important debate next tuesday, the format's a town hall. and that makes it a little bit harder for him to be tough and challenging romney because
did joe biden -- joe biden do what joe biden had to do last night? were you, as a washington guy that's been around this for a long time, did you find it off-putting, or do you think it was called for? >> i think joe was joe. and when you're yourself, it usually helps in politics. look, it's going to lend itself to some great scenes on "saturday night live" and other late-night comedians. i agree with mark halperin on that. but i don't think it was like al gore in 2000, which...
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biden's interrupt. look at how biden interjected himself when ryan was speaking. >> here is the problem. they got caught with their hans in the cookie jar turning medicare in a piggy bank for obama care and their octoberiary one out of the six hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business as a result of this. they are projected to lose the current medicare advantage they can. more signed up for medicare advantage after the change. >> mr. vice-president, i know you are under a lot of durress to make up for lost ground, but i think people will be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> by one count. 83 times biden interrupted. how effective was that as a strategy. >> it was effective paul. there might have been 25 interruptions . somebody counted. 83 interruptions and joe biden spoke three-quarters of the time and that means he effectively destroyed every statement that paul rhine tried to make. biden came across as a bar room bore but in the r room you can say thanks old-
biden's interrupt. look at how biden interjected himself when ryan was speaking. >> here is the problem. they got caught with their hans in the cookie jar turning medicare in a piggy bank for obama care and their octoberiary one out of the six hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business as a result of this. they are projected to lose the current medicare advantage they can. more signed up for medicare advantage after the change. >> mr. vice-president, i know you are...
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joe biden was joe biden in so many ways. his demeanor was extraordinary. >> gretchen: i thought it was totally overthe top disrespectful. just speaking as a woman and i want to know the difference in the gender opinion. was this more offensive to women, men or either? maybe women have felt this more often. i could not believe how disrespectful he was and being from the midwest as paul ryan is as well there is such a thing as midwestern politeness and you go in front of me. that's what paul ryan was doing. should he had also been more aggressive or did he do the right thing in sitting back. >> brian: if people wanted strength on the democrat side they got it and conversant on every topic. but it was interesting on foreign policy. i think he showed experience. he's 69 and paul ryan is 42 years old and domestic issues. joe biden talked over ryan. and i am curious. democrats have to be heartened. i wonder about the independents and people who still haven't made up their mind. i have renewed faith? >> steve: if you miss the inter
joe biden was joe biden in so many ways. his demeanor was extraordinary. >> gretchen: i thought it was totally overthe top disrespectful. just speaking as a woman and i want to know the difference in the gender opinion. was this more offensive to women, men or either? maybe women have felt this more often. i could not believe how disrespectful he was and being from the midwest as paul ryan is as well there is such a thing as midwestern politeness and you go in front of me. that's what...
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biden? >> i think his biggest challenge is expectations. you have been talking about that pew poll that shows more people thought that paul ryan is going to do better than joe biden. i watched joe biden four years ago in all the democratic primary debates. he did very, very well. i think going into this debate, joe biden has been underestimated. the guy will come off very, very well, and you end up having a republican base that has put so much energy into paul ryan, who wants him to succeed, and the expectations for his very first debate like this might be a very difficult for him. >> indeed. professor dyson, we have just learned that mitt romney met with the reverend billy graham and his son. the campaign did not immediately offer comment on whether there was an endorsement. you can see a picture there, the campaign tweeted. the elder graham, of course, is well-respected by the nation, but his son, franklin, once questioned the president's christianity as well as whether mormonism is, in fa
biden? >> i think his biggest challenge is expectations. you have been talking about that pew poll that shows more people thought that paul ryan is going to do better than joe biden. i watched joe biden four years ago in all the democratic primary debates. he did very, very well. i think going into this debate, joe biden has been underestimated. the guy will come off very, very well, and you end up having a republican base that has put so much energy into paul ryan, who wants him to...
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biden: he's right. ryan: it underminds our credibility backing up the point when we make it all options on the table. that's the point. they see these statements and think i'm going to get a nuclear weapon. when we see the keep of equivocation that took place because this administration wanted a preconditioned policy, so when the green revolution started up, they were silent for nine days. when they see us putting daylight between ourselves and allies and israel, that gives them encouragement. when they see russia watering down any further sanctions, the only reason we got a u.n. sanction because russia watered it down preventing these from being sanctions in the first place. when they see this activity, they are encouraged to continue. >> moderator: what's worse, war in the middle east, another war in the middle east or a nuclear armed iran? ryan: i'll tell you what's worse. a nuclear armed iran triggers a nuclear arms race in the middle east. it'sed -- it's the world's largest terrorist organization,
biden: he's right. ryan: it underminds our credibility backing up the point when we make it all options on the table. that's the point. they see these statements and think i'm going to get a nuclear weapon. when we see the keep of equivocation that took place because this administration wanted a preconditioned policy, so when the green revolution started up, they were silent for nine days. when they see us putting daylight between ourselves and allies and israel, that gives them encouragement....
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>> reporter: and biden? well, biden's been around for a long time. elected in 1972 at 29, survived the tragedy of losing his wife and baby daughter in a car accident before he took office. >> we can always get another senator, but they can't get another father. >> reporter: and he became a national figure when he scared off against judge robert bork, nominated iffer the supreme court in 1987. >> does the majority have the right to tell a couple that they can't use birth control? >> reporter: that year, biden launched his first bid for the presidency. paul ryan was 17 years old. in 1988, the generation gap in a vice presidential debate led to this famous moment. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: tonight, in a heated exchange about taxes, an echo of that moment. >> the only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes, is cut the morning deduction for middle class people. cut the health care deduction for middle class people. take away their ability to get a tax break to send their kids to college. that's why they are -- >> is he wrong abou
>> reporter: and biden? well, biden's been around for a long time. elected in 1972 at 29, survived the tragedy of losing his wife and baby daughter in a car accident before he took office. >> we can always get another senator, but they can't get another father. >> reporter: and he became a national figure when he scared off against judge robert bork, nominated iffer the supreme court in 1987. >> does the majority have the right to tell a couple that they can't use birth...
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son beau biden. what did you think? >> he was in command of that stage. he was in command of the facts. he painted a stark contrast between what he and the president want to do for this country and what paul and mitt romney would do. what i was most struck by is paul ryan opening up the idea they were going to put additional forces in afghanistan. my father laid out the clear state policy of the administration. paul ryan demonstrated tonight that it might not be his area of expertise, and he opened the door for additional forces. i'm interested to see what the conversation is in the romney camp right now. >> well, what do you think of this debate over foreign policy, since you were over there in afghanistan in your service for our country? is it a real fight? it's been pointed out earlier tonight by rachel especially that if you listen to it, there's no real debate, in terms of they're not willing to say, let's go to war on the ground in syria. they're not willing to say, let's go to war with iran. t
son beau biden. what did you think? >> he was in command of that stage. he was in command of the facts. he painted a stark contrast between what he and the president want to do for this country and what paul and mitt romney would do. what i was most struck by is paul ryan opening up the idea they were going to put additional forces in afghanistan. my father laid out the clear state policy of the administration. paul ryan demonstrated tonight that it might not be his area of expertise, and...
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when he thanked joe biden, biden was smirking. i thought that came across as very disrespectful and symbol symbolic of the way that joe biden handled the night. on the substance, i was struck by the same thing with respect to libbia. it seemed that vice-president was criticizing the intelligence community, in some ways, by not giving them as much information as we thought. he blamed all the false statements of the obama administration on the intelligence community and seemed to raise questions about the confidence of the intelligence community and in a discussion about iran, he said, we will know when they go to -- when they go to a break-out for the bomb. it seems to me, there is major tension between those two statements on the one hand, suggesting they are not competent enough to know what happened on the ground in libya but saying they will know for sure if iran decides to go for the bomb. >> on domestic policy, we heard joe biden do what his boss, barack obama, did not, hammer the 47% comoant that mitt romney said and was tal
when he thanked joe biden, biden was smirking. i thought that came across as very disrespectful and symbol symbolic of the way that joe biden handled the night. on the substance, i was struck by the same thing with respect to libbia. it seemed that vice-president was criticizing the intelligence community, in some ways, by not giving them as much information as we thought. he blamed all the false statements of the obama administration on the intelligence community and seemed to raise questions...
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medicare, biden. >> chris? >> biden. passion resonates probably more than ryan and ryan didn't do what he had to in terms of undercutting vice president biden. >> i agree biden rallied the base with his behavior, but i think he lost a lot of independents and moderates based on his disrespectful behavior. >> who looked more presidential? >> biden. ryan didn't look ready for primetime. >> chris? >> biden. >> ryan was respectful and factual. >> our friday political power panel after an exciting night last night, right? all enjoyed the debate, i thought. thank you to all of you. >> thanks. >>> here is a live look at the space shuttle "endeavour" wrapping up his final journey to a los angeles museum. the spacecraft is used to travel at warped speeds. early this morning it crawled just two miles an hour through the streets of los angeles. we know how bad the traffic is. 400 trees and lots of traffic lights were taken down to make room for the five-story tall shuttle what a sight that must be. >> if you go with ryan, what he be
medicare, biden. >> chris? >> biden. passion resonates probably more than ryan and ryan didn't do what he had to in terms of undercutting vice president biden. >> i agree biden rallied the base with his behavior, but i think he lost a lot of independents and moderates based on his disrespectful behavior. >> who looked more presidential? >> biden. ryan didn't look ready for primetime. >> chris? >> biden. >> ryan was respectful and factual. >>...
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the top search was biden. next was the word focornflating and then the word malarkey. >> it's never been done before. >> it's been done a couple times. >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> you're no jack kennedy moment, lloyd benson would be proud. meantime, twitter was ablazed with celebrity involvement. bill maher wrote, hello, 911, there's an old child beating on my tv. and post debate results just in. ryan now at 6% body fat, 94% water. the "politicsnation" facebook crowd was plugged in, too. marilynn said, thank god for joe's crisp vision he painted on behalf of the middle class. janet says her new favorite word is malarkey and roger was happy. the good old 47 was brought back to life. we want to hear what you think, too. head over to facebook and search "politicsnation" and "like" us to join the conversation that keeps going long after the show ends. we'll be talking about how to return of the 47% ruined paul ryan's night. that's next. that was me still taking insulin with a vial
the top search was biden. next was the word focornflating and then the word malarkey. >> it's never been done before. >> it's been done a couple times. >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> you're no jack kennedy moment, lloyd benson would be proud. meantime, twitter was ablazed with celebrity involvement. bill maher wrote, hello, 911, there's an old child beating on my tv. and post debate results just in. ryan now at 6% body fat, 94% water....
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>> i think joe biden won the debate. his mission was to go in, energize democrats, defend the president's record and challenge congressman ryan on some of the misrepresentations that they've made about obama/biden record and frankly, ask him for specifics about what they would do, this mystery tax plan and whose budget are they actually running on. i think he did all of that last night and did it really well. >> kristen, do you agree with that? >> no, but i think it's possible for republicans to really think their guy won and for democrats to really think their guy won. i don't think this is partisan spinning because both men went in with different objectives. joe biden went in with his objective being i'm going to heckle the republicans, and fire up my base. he did that. i think paul ryan said i have to go in and prove i can be vice president or president of the united states. i think there are no republicans out there complaining about his performance. i think he did a good job, he did exactly what he needed to. >> i d
>> i think joe biden won the debate. his mission was to go in, energize democrats, defend the president's record and challenge congressman ryan on some of the misrepresentations that they've made about obama/biden record and frankly, ask him for specifics about what they would do, this mystery tax plan and whose budget are they actually running on. i think he did all of that last night and did it really well. >> kristen, do you agree with that? >> no, but i think it's possible...
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i think it was joe biden being joe biden. he didn't swallow his foot but the line people are going to take away from this is that he really contradicted so far what we learned on libya, saying it was the intelligence community, but then said we could trust those same people on iran. seemed to be a big disconnect to me. >> a big disconnect for others, on the other side of the aisle from you would be about paul ryan and taxes and trying to get some specifics about that. this is a conversation that's been going on for a long time, trying to pin him down to exactly what the tax plan would be. i'm going to run a little chunk for you on that. >> what we're saying is deny those loopholes and deductions to higher income tax payers so that more of their income is taxed, which has a broader base of taxation. >> may i translate? >> so we can lower tax rates across the board. here is why i'm saying that. >> i hope i'm getting time to respond to this. >> you'll get time. >> we want to work with congress on how best to achieve this. that m
i think it was joe biden being joe biden. he didn't swallow his foot but the line people are going to take away from this is that he really contradicted so far what we learned on libya, saying it was the intelligence community, but then said we could trust those same people on iran. seemed to be a big disconnect to me. >> a big disconnect for others, on the other side of the aisle from you would be about paul ryan and taxes and trying to get some specifics about that. this is a...
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joe biden proved that last night. and as winston churchill once said, i like a man who grins when he fights. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >>> these are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. >> the vice president keeps the hits coming after his knockout debate with paul ryan. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me something. >> richard wolffe on the education of congressman paul ryan. >> ronald reagan -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> "now's" terri o'neal on the romney ticket's disaster for women. >> if the romney/ryan ticket is elected, should those who believe abortion should remain legal be worried? >> david cay johnston on ryan's sixth study lie. >> can you guarantee this math will add up? >> absolutely. six studies have guaranteed. >> and what's more disrespectful? lying to america or interrupting a guy who's lying to america? >> it was openly contemptu
joe biden proved that last night. and as winston churchill once said, i like a man who grins when he fights. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >>> these are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. >> the vice president keeps the hits coming after his knockout debate with paul ryan. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me...
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joe biden said he is excited. he sat down with other own dana bash to talk about his prep for the debate, and dana asked about biden's last debate opponent. >> the only other person to debate joe biden in a vice president debate is sarah palin. have you called her for advice? >> i have her. i only pet meth her once, and that was about two years ago. >> would you? >> sure, sure. >> can i call you joe? >> she famously or maybe infamously said that she wanted to call him joe because she kept calling him joe o'biden in debate prep. >> he knows me as paul, and i know him as swroe. i don't know. i haven't given much thought to that, to be honest with you. probably not unless he wants to make a case of it, but we know each other. actually we've gotten along quite well over the years. i like joe personally quite a bit. i just disagree with his policies. >> all right. dana is in danville, and, you know, we've all been trying not to say o'biden because it gets kind of cooky sometimes when you're mixing up all of the names h
joe biden said he is excited. he sat down with other own dana bash to talk about his prep for the debate, and dana asked about biden's last debate opponent. >> the only other person to debate joe biden in a vice president debate is sarah palin. have you called her for advice? >> i have her. i only pet meth her once, and that was about two years ago. >> would you? >> sure, sure. >> can i call you joe? >> she famously or maybe infamously said that she wanted to...
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biden is pretty good at it. and what you just heard dan senor said there, that he needs to stay within himself, basically, and paul ryan's been relaxed, andrea yesterday he went out before we came to danville, ordered a big cup of ice cream, probably worked that off this morning in the gym but he wants to come in and say to the american people, there's a clear contrast here. clear choices between the president and governor romney and things they want to do, and if he does it he'll have a good debate all in all about what he probably can't do is allow the vice president to come in as the cannonball while he doesn't try to match his intensity in some way. this could be a pretty interesting, there could be sparks. >> we've seen past debates where you have an older veteran political figure like dick cheney, you know, against john edwards and he completely put him away. but you've got paul ryan much younger but seven-term member of congress, used to debating, he's the house republican chairman, he was the runner-up f
biden is pretty good at it. and what you just heard dan senor said there, that he needs to stay within himself, basically, and paul ryan's been relaxed, andrea yesterday he went out before we came to danville, ordered a big cup of ice cream, probably worked that off this morning in the gym but he wants to come in and say to the american people, there's a clear contrast here. clear choices between the president and governor romney and things they want to do, and if he does it he'll have a good...
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i think joe biden did. colorado and had the one good line raising fear on increases of middle-class taxes. >> -- paul r. ryan had one good line of reasoning here on increasing middle-class taxes. >> the republican line, good morning. >> thank you. i feel like joe biden in this debate was a little offensive and rude. it might have turned off a lot of people from his point. i thought paul ryan was a very well-prepared. he knew what he was talking about. i just thought joe biden came off like a 12-year-old. he got louder and more rude thinking that would change his point. the whole debate was a little weird and crazy. paul ryan said this is not what a real recovery looks like. i agree with that 100%. oh by the -- obama-bite and are not running a real recovery, there are running it into the ground. >> this is from the facebook page. from our twitter page. next is on our line for democrats is nick from columbus, indiana. >> i was very a impressed with what democrat can did it was talking about. that is our vice-
i think joe biden did. colorado and had the one good line raising fear on increases of middle-class taxes. >> -- paul r. ryan had one good line of reasoning here on increasing middle-class taxes. >> the republican line, good morning. >> thank you. i feel like joe biden in this debate was a little offensive and rude. it might have turned off a lot of people from his point. i thought paul ryan was a very well-prepared. he knew what he was talking about. i just thought joe biden...
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biden program or presidency. i thought it was a huge distraction. >> i think he was really sent on a mission because the president was just the opposite. he was very lethargic. he was very, just the opposite of what you saw last night from biden. i think he went in there, whether himself or people testimonying him to do it, probably himself and maybe a combination of both, i think he had to be aggressive because the president was not aggressive, not aggressive at all. i being he really had no choice. i was very -- i would have been very surprised if he didn't act very aggressive, which he d. now, he interrupted a lot, and he smiled and laughed, you know, but the laugh was a disparaging laugh. but i think he had no choice because they needed something to energize them. you couldn't have somebody else go in quietly and get awiwith it, in my opinion. >> greta: okay. they may have energized their base with it. but do you wonder, i mean, the ultimate goal, i would think is to attract the undecided and independent vote
biden program or presidency. i thought it was a huge distraction. >> i think he was really sent on a mission because the president was just the opposite. he was very lethargic. he was very, just the opposite of what you saw last night from biden. i think he went in there, whether himself or people testimonying him to do it, probably himself and maybe a combination of both, i think he had to be aggressive because the president was not aggressive, not aggressive at all. i being he really...
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of joe biden, i do in the think >> and the age of joe biden. not easy to debate your father. >> for a vice presidential nominee the bar is to prove you could be president if you had to. any doubt that paul ryan met that? >> yeah, i doubt it. i don't want him to be president. i'd be scared if he was president. >> i think you're in the mine or -- a lot this morning are saying he looked like he could hale it. >> you know, when it came to foreign policy he looked very robotic, i thought. i thought that, you know, he looked like he had a good training. >> when you listen to his answers, he splay looked robotic, but when you listen to the substance of his answers. >> i think there were a lot of questions he didn't answer. i think there were a lot of moments where he just kind of, you know, shrugged his shoulders. >> ana, let me ask you, martha, pushed paul ryan very hard on the specifics of the tax plan, the 20% tax rates, how do they pay foit. ryan really did not fill in the blanks there. will he have to at some point? did he satisfy you? will he sa
of joe biden, i do in the think >> and the age of joe biden. not easy to debate your father. >> for a vice presidential nominee the bar is to prove you could be president if you had to. any doubt that paul ryan met that? >> yeah, i doubt it. i don't want him to be president. i'd be scared if he was president. >> i think you're in the mine or -- a lot this morning are saying he looked like he could hale it. >> you know, when it came to foreign policy he looked very...
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but paul ryan called out by joe biden. we will check in with charles i've been a superintendent for 30 some years at many different park service units across the united states. the only time i've ever had a break is when i was on maternity leave. i have retired from doing this one thing that i loved. now, i'm going to be able to have the time to explore something different. it's like another chapter. >> you sigh, if you don't have a good record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone to run from. that was what president obama said in 2008. that's what he is doing right now. >> sean: that's exactly what the vice-president did in last night's debate. forget the record, uncle joe did everything in his power to hide from his boss's failures and used the left's favorite tactic, divisive class warfare. >> they are holding hostage the middle class tax cut to the super wealthy. the middle class got knocked on their heels. the great recession crushed them. they need some help now. whatever you call it, the bottom line is
but paul ryan called out by joe biden. we will check in with charles i've been a superintendent for 30 some years at many different park service units across the united states. the only time i've ever had a break is when i was on maternity leave. i have retired from doing this one thing that i loved. now, i'm going to be able to have the time to explore something different. it's like another chapter. >> you sigh, if you don't have a good record to run on, then you paint your opponent as...
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only 34% feel that joe biden. so is really expectation more on paul ryan more than joe biden contrary to what has been discussed so far? >> i think it will be interesting to see what happens. a lot of this happens in the moment. it all depends about the chemistry between them and the moderate to have, the audience, how the questions go and what's most important is for both those gentlemen to really be in the moment to really think about their answers, and to make sure they getting across specific points that they want to getting across. >> again, watching the live pictures -- rather the tape that just came in of paul ryan arriving at the location. i want to pivot to the polls. when we look at those numbers, this new round of polling showing that the president falling short of that 50% marker that so many watch specifically in florida and virginia. and democrats, their enthusiasm already seems to be suffering in the wake of last week. what will numbers under 50 do to the enthusiasm surrounding tonight's debate as w
only 34% feel that joe biden. so is really expectation more on paul ryan more than joe biden contrary to what has been discussed so far? >> i think it will be interesting to see what happens. a lot of this happens in the moment. it all depends about the chemistry between them and the moderate to have, the audience, how the questions go and what's most important is for both those gentlemen to really be in the moment to really think about their answers, and to make sure they getting across...
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>> biden: it means it is simply inaccurate. >> ryan: it is irish. >> biden: it is. the secretary of defense has made it -- you can't walk anything back. we will not allow the iranians to get a nuclear weapon. what netenyahu held up there was when they get to the point where they can enrich uranium enough to put it into a weapon. they don't have enough to put it into a weapon. iran is more isolated today than when we took office. sit totally's a littled -- [overlapping speakers] >> ryan: thank heavens we had these sanctions in place. it is in spite of their opposition -- >> biden: oh, god. >> ryan: all i have to point to are the results. they are four years closer to a nuclear weapon -- >> can you tell the american people what another war in the middle east -- >> biden: they are closer to be able to get enough material to put in a weapon -- >> you are acting a little bit like they don't want one. >> biden: i didn't say that. facts matter martha. all of this loose talk about all they have to do is get to a american amount of enriched uranium and they have a weapon, no
>> biden: it means it is simply inaccurate. >> ryan: it is irish. >> biden: it is. the secretary of defense has made it -- you can't walk anything back. we will not allow the iranians to get a nuclear weapon. what netenyahu held up there was when they get to the point where they can enrich uranium enough to put it into a weapon. they don't have enough to put it into a weapon. iran is more isolated today than when we took office. sit totally's a littled -- [overlapping...
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how did vice president biden do? >> frankly, i thought if he had handled sarah palin four years ago he would have been called a stalker and all kinds of other things. he was rude, as my mother used to say. he interrupted over and over again by one count, over 80 times. he even martha interrupted paul ryan on several occasions. i just thought it was the worst examples of personal misbehavior i have ever seen. it was disgusting. >> the other fact we're talking about smirks and smiles just tells us that joe biden won that debate. that is what it has come down to. i went to the spin room -- where was i -- in danville, kentucky. back here the whole thing prompted by anheuser-busch. you could tell right away and republicans were talking about the smirks the smiles. making jokes about this guy and his teeth. >> you know, when somebody is ready to make a point you interrupt them to try to throw them off and try to get the audience not to listen what was being said. >> they called it the heckler's defense, that is what biden
how did vice president biden do? >> frankly, i thought if he had handled sarah palin four years ago he would have been called a stalker and all kinds of other things. he was rude, as my mother used to say. he interrupted over and over again by one count, over 80 times. he even martha interrupted paul ryan on several occasions. i just thought it was the worst examples of personal misbehavior i have ever seen. it was disgusting. >> the other fact we're talking about smirks and smiles...
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so what did joe biden do? he threw the intel community under the bus. >> when people in the consulate first saw armed men attacking, there were no protesters. why did that go on? >> we were told by the intelligence community. >> andrea: wait until you hear the white house spin this afternoon. that's up next on "the five." ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] imagine facing the day with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine living your life with less chronic low back pain. imagine you, with less pain. cymbalta can help. cymbalta is fda-approved to manage chronic musculoskeletal pain. one non-narcotic pill a day, every day, can help reduce this pain. tell your doctor right away if your mood worsens, you have unusual changes in mood or behavior or thoughts of suicide. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. cymbalta is not approved for children under 18. people taking maois or thioridazine or with uncontrolled glaucoma should not take cymbalta. taking it with nsaid pain relievers, aspir
so what did joe biden do? he threw the intel community under the bus. >> when people in the consulate first saw armed men attacking, there were no protesters. why did that go on? >> we were told by the intelligence community. >> andrea: wait until you hear the white house spin this afternoon. that's up next on "the five." ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] imagine facing the day with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine living your life with less chronic low back pain....
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i don't necessarily buy this is biden being biden. he showed in 2008 against sarah palin that he can bring it in. it seems like there was something intentional he was trying to communicate. do you have a sense of what that might be and what kind of impression do you think that made on the audience. >> placing myself inside the coaching session for the vice president, i think this was an attempt to swing the pendulum dramatically in the other direction. the president had been a facial flat liner that i think they decided even if it's over the top, we really need to bring some life back into this. the president's performance really kind of had this apathetic feel to it. they wanted to have the vice president show a tremendous amount of feeling. every time he smirked, laughed, all the above, it seem like it was a signal he was sending to the fact checkers, almost like i'm laughing, what he said just now really needs to be verified. >> so let's talk about joe biden's impressive range. everything from the laughing to the excited hand gestu
i don't necessarily buy this is biden being biden. he showed in 2008 against sarah palin that he can bring it in. it seems like there was something intentional he was trying to communicate. do you have a sense of what that might be and what kind of impression do you think that made on the audience. >> placing myself inside the coaching session for the vice president, i think this was an attempt to swing the pendulum dramatically in the other direction. the president had been a facial flat...
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biden. >> joe biden's been on the stage many times before. this is my first time. so sure, us's a nervous experience. he is one of the most experienced debaters in the modern politics. >> here he is, joe biden on the left of the screen. four days worth of preparations in delaware. the vice president has arrived for tonight's debate in danville, kentucky. here he is getting off air force two this afternoon. daughter ashley by his side. sons bo and hunter, wife jill there on the plane, as well. now, paul ryan, he did arrive. he actually got in to town yesterday. he is ready to go, as well. and we mentioned this before. gallup's daily tracking poll came out about an hour ago. president obama losing two more points. mitt romney gaining one point. so obama standing now at 48% with romney's 46%. we could theorize that the post-debate slide for the president hasn't yet bottomed out. paul ryan says he is not intimidated, heading in to tonight's debate. ryan is a hunter and when he sat down with an interview with data bash, he told us that he's preparing just like he would
biden. >> joe biden's been on the stage many times before. this is my first time. so sure, us's a nervous experience. he is one of the most experienced debaters in the modern politics. >> here he is, joe biden on the left of the screen. four days worth of preparations in delaware. the vice president has arrived for tonight's debate in danville, kentucky. here he is getting off air force two this afternoon. daughter ashley by his side. sons bo and hunter, wife jill there on the...
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when biden interrupted him, ryan gaining jabs at obama. >> i know you felt positive towards biden tell me why. >> correct. i thought biden had a lot of good knowledge. a lot of experience behind him. i thought he spoke eloquently. i felt he could be president of the united states. i liked him. >> do you -- what was it about biden's performance that barack obama didn't do? >> it was, go ahead. >> he was passionate and he didn't sound scripted. >> you felt that obama did? >> yes. >> now... you know he had a command of almost all of the issues and almost all of the -- anything that came up, he seemed to have a natural flow to it. >> compare biden's performance with obama's a week ago? >> yes. obama seemed distracted like he didn't want to be there. biden acted like there is no place in the world he'd rather be than right there. >> biden had no passion when explaining everything then obama did last -- . >> he felt comfortable. >> he's a good debateor. excellent. >> he didn't use a teleprompter to get a point across. >> okay. i do the jokes here. >> okay. >> what about ryan? what ryan had t
when biden interrupted him, ryan gaining jabs at obama. >> i know you felt positive towards biden tell me why. >> correct. i thought biden had a lot of good knowledge. a lot of experience behind him. i thought he spoke eloquently. i felt he could be president of the united states. i liked him. >> do you -- what was it about biden's performance that barack obama didn't do? >> it was, go ahead. >> he was passionate and he didn't sound scripted. >> you felt that...